Legislature(1995 - 1996)

04/19/1996 03:45 PM Senate RES

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                   SENATE RESOURCES COMMITTEE                                  
                         April 19, 1996                                        
                           3:45 p.m.                                           
                                                                               
                                                                               
 MEMBERS PRESENT                                                               
                                                                               
 Senator Loren Leman, Chairman                                                 
 Senator Drue Pearce, Vice Chairman                                            
 Senator Steve Frank                                                           
 Senator Robin Taylor                                                          
 Senator Georgianna Lincoln                                                    
                                                                               
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
                                                                               
 Senator Rick Halford                                                          
 Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                         
                                                                               
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                           
                                                                               
   -- CONFIRMATION HEARING ON BOARD OF GAME APPOINTEES:  ANN                   
     RUGGLES, GREG ROCZICKA, VIC VAN BALLENBERGHE                              
                                                                               
 CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 388(RES) am                                             
 "An Act revising laws relating to oil and gas leasing as related to           
 land previously the subject of a written best interest finding;               
 amending provisions setting out exceptions to sales, leases, or               
 other disposals for which a revised written best interest finding             
 is not required; encouraging annual offer of land for oil and gas             
 leases if the land was the subject of a best interest finding; and            
 modifying the statement of purpose in the Alaska Land Act as it               
 applies to oil and gas leasing to provide for annual lease sales."            
                                                                               
  PREVIOUS SENATE COMMITTEE   ACTION                                           
                                                                               
 HB 338 - See Joint Senate/House State Affairs Committee minutes               
          dated 10/5/95 and 1/23/96.                                           
                                                                               
  WITNESS REGISTER                                                             
                                                                               
 Loren Croxton                                                                 
 P.O. Box 1410                                                                 
 Petersburg, AK 99833                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposes confirmations of Ann Ruggles and Vic           
      Van Ballenberghe to the Board of Game                                    
                                                                               
 Bill Folsom                                                                   
 Box 2408                                                                      
 Palmer, AK 99645                                                              
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposes confirmations of Ann Ruggles and Vic           
      Van Ballenberghe to the Board of Game                                    
                                                                               
 Roy Burkhart                                                                  
 Box 204                                                                       
 Willow, AK 99688                                                              
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposes confirmations of Ann Ruggles and Vic           
      Van Ballenberghe to the Board of Game                                    
                                                                               
 Leonard Haire                                                                 
 Box 879030                                                                    
 Wasilla, AK 99687                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposes confirmations of Ann Ruggles and Vic           
      Van Ballenberghe to the Board of Game                                    
                                                                               
 Lynn Levengood                                                                
 1008 16th Ave.                                                                
 Fairbanks, AK 99701                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposes confirmations of Ann Ruggles and Vic           
      Van Ballenberghe to the Board of Game                                    
                                                                               
 Bonnie Williams                                                               
 1335 Sunny Slope Road                                                         
 Fairbanks, AK 99709                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposes confirmations of Ann Ruggles and Vic           
      Van Ballenberghe to the Board of Game                                    
                                                                               
 Tom Scarborough                                                               
 1676 Taroka Drive                                                             
 Fairbanks, AK 99709                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposes confirmations of Ann Ruggles and Vic           
      Van Ballenberghe to the Board of Game                                    
                                                                               
 David Williams                                                                
 1335 Sunny Slope Road                                                         
 Fairbanks, AK 99709                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposes confirmations of Ann Ruggles and Vic           
      Van Ballenberghe to the Board of Game                                    
                                                                               
 Katherine Richardson                                                          
 P.O. Box 80766                                                                
 Fairbanks, AK 99708                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supports appointment of Ann Ruggles to the             
      Board of Game                                                            
                                                                               
 Ralph Seekins, President                                                      
 Alaska Wildlife Conservation Association                                      
 1625 Old Steese Highway                                                       
 Fairbanks, AK 99701                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposes confirmations of Ann Ruggles and Vic           
      Van Ballenberghe to the Board of Game                                    
                                                                               
 Jack Stoebauer                                                                
 18713 Upper Skyline Drive                                                     
 Eagle River, AK 99577                                                         
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposes confirmations of Ann Ruggles and Vic           
      Van Ballenberghe to the Board of Game                                    
                                                                               
 Leo Keeler                                                                    
 Friends of McNeil River                                                       
 P.O. Box 190647                                                               
 Anchorage, AK 99519                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supports confirmations of Ann Ruggles and Vic          
          Van Ballenberghe to the Board of Game                                
                                                                               
 Stephan Wells                                                                 
 P.O. Box 202022                                                               
 Anchorage, AK 99520                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supports confirmations of Ann Ruggles and Vic          
      Van Ballenberghe to the Board of Game                                    
                                                                               
 Nicole Di Padua                                                               
 4520 Edinburgh Drive                                                          
 Anchorage, AK 99515                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supports confirmations of Ann Ruggles and Vic          
      Van Ballenberghe to the Board of Game                                    
                                                                               
 Matt Singer                                                                   
 Alaska Wildlife Alliance                                                      
 P.O. Box 202022                                                               
 Anchorage, AK 99520                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supports confirmations of Ann Ruggles and Vic          
      Van Ballenberghe to the Board of Game                                    
                                                                               
 Dick Bishop, Executive Director                                               
 Alaska Outdoor Council                                                        
 P.O. Box 73902                                                                
 Fairbanks, AK 99707                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposes confirmations of Ann Ruggles and               
 Vick     Van Ballenberghe to the Board of Game                                
                                                                               
 Sarah Hannan                                                                  
 7348 North Douglas Highway                                                    
 Juneau, AK 99801                                                              
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supports confirmations of Ann Ruggles and Vic          
      Van Ballenberghe to the Board of Game                                    
                                                                               
 Joel Bennett                                                                  
 Juneau, AK                                                                    
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supports confirmations of Ann Ruggles, Vic             
      Van Ballenberghe & Greg Roczicka to the Board                            
      of Game                                                                  
                                                                               
 Mike Tinker                                                                   
 P.O. Box 25197                                                                
 Ester, AK 99725                                                               
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposes confirmations of Ann Ruggles and Vic           
      Van Ballenberghe to the Board of Game                                    
                                                                               
 Representative Norman Rokeberg                                                
 State Capitol                                                                 
 Juneau, AK 99801-1182                                                         
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Prime Sponsor of HB 388                                
                                                                               
 Pat Foley                                                                     
 Alaska Oil & Gas Association                                                  
 121 W. Fireweed Lane                                                          
 Anchorage, AK 99503                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in support of CSHB 388(RES) am               
                                                                               
 Bill Stamps                                                                   
 Alaska Support Industry Alliance                                              
 P.O. Box 130                                                                  
 Kenai, AK 99611                                                               
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in support of CSHB 388(RES) am               
                                                                               
 George Findling                                                               
 ARCO Alaska, Inc.                                                             
 P.O. Box 100360                                                               
 Anchorage, AK 99516                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in support of CSHB 388(RES) am               
                                                                               
 Ken Boyd, Director                                                            
 Division of Oil & Gas                                                         
 Department of Natural Resources                                               
 3601 C St., Suite 1380                                                        
 Anchorage, AK 99503-5948                                                      
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in support of CSHB 388(RES) am               
                                                                               
 Kevin Tabler, Land Manager                                                    
 Unocal Corporation                                                            
 909 W. 9th Ave.                                                               
 Anchorage, AK 99501                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in support of CSHB 388(RES) am               
                                                                               
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
                                                                               
  TAPE 96-59, SIDE A                                                           
                                                                               
 Number 001                                                                    
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN LEMAN  called the Senate Resources Committee meeting to             
 order at 3:45 p.m.  He stated the first order of business would be            
 confirmation hearings on the governor's appointees to the Board of            
 Game, and he noted the presence of Larry Holmes, Chairman of the              
 Board of Game.                                                                
                                                                               
  ANN RUGGLES , making her presentation to the committee via the               
 teleconference network from Fairbanks, stated she is by training              
 both an anthropologist and a wildlife biologist.  Her income is               
 derived by teaching biology at the University of Alaska Fairbanks.            
                                                                               
 Ms. Ruggles said her interest in serving on the Board of Game in              
 the past and now is that she is keenly interested in the interface            
 between science and policy.  She recognizes that science does not             
 have all the answers.  She said society, when it decides it would             
 like something from a system, needs to rely upon science, but then            
 it must also turn to sociological aspects, legal aspects, political           
 aspects, ethics and culture to determine how we are actually                  
 finally going to manage wildlife, she said.                                   
                                                                               
 Number 053                                                                    
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN LEMAN  pointed out he has received many negative messages           
 concerning her membership on the board, and he asked if she could             
 expand on why she has been so controversial, and how she sees                 
 herself serving and being able to deal with the considerable number           
 of the public who may think otherwise.   MS. RUGGLES  said she is not         
 sure why she would be termed "controversial" although she is sure             
 that there are people who do not share a value system with her,               
 people who have different goals than she may have, and people who             
 may wish to see a Board of Game that is maybe more narrowly focused           
 and gives limited representation to the different values which                
 exist in this state.  While serving on the board, she has been a              
 proponent of conservation of wildlife population.                             
                                                                               
 Number 122                                                                    
                                                                               
  SENATOR LINCOLN  noted Ms. Ruggles participated in the Alaska wolf           
 summit in 1993, and she asked if she would explain what her                   
 participation was and her position during that summit.   MS. RUGGLES          
 explained she was invited to participate because she had been a               
 member of the wolf management planning team and she was there to              
 speak for them.  She said the Board of Game determined that the               
 state needs to be managing intensively, that normal hunting and               
 trapping will not resolve the issue, that we do need to turn to               
 looking at wolf control.                                                      
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN LEMAN  asked for Ms. Ruggles philosophy of hunting.  MS.            
 RUGGLES responded that hunting is a legitimate activity, one that             
 many people participate in and one that is certainly right and                
 proper.                                                                       
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN LEMAN  noted a letter was received from the Alaska Wildlife         
 Alliance stating they believe that the Board of Game's structure              
 and process needs serious reform, that the legal mandate of the               
 board needs to be changed.  He asked Ms. Ruggles if she agreed with           
 that assessment.   MS. RUGGLES  responded that she does not believe           
 the Board of Game's process or the Board of Game's mandate is                 
 posing problems.  She believes it is an excellent process, and it             
 is a way by which the people in Alaska can have a voice in how a              
 public resource is going to be managed.                                       
                                                                               
 Number 200                                                                    
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN LEMAN  thanked Ms. Ruggles for her participation, and then          
 invited Greg Roczicka to make his presentation to the committee.              
                                                                               
  GREG ROCZICKA  said he has strongly advocated that if people have            
 complaints or problems with management systems, they ought to be              
 involved, so in December he submitted his name to serve on the                
 board.  He feels he brings a strong and positive background to the            
 board having for the last years worked on the front lines of                  
 conflict and controversy regarding game management issues, working            
 between the village governments and the state and federal                     
 governments.                                                                  
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN LEMAN  asked Mr. Roczicka if he thought his background in           
 being associated with the Associated Village Council Presidents               
 could create conflicts or if it would be an asset.  MR. ROCZICKA              
 responded that even in his work with that agency he tries to                  
 maintain an objective view, and he feels he would have no problem             
 at all separating himself from any advocacy or perception of                  
 advocacy that that organization has in his work with the board.  He           
 added he has participated in the board process over the years, and            
 when he sat in on his first Board of Game meeting in March, he was            
 impressed with what he sees to be a real balance on the board that            
 in many boards in the past was not there.                                     
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN LEMAN  thanked Mr. Roczicka for his participation and then          
 invited Vic Van Ballenberghe to make his presentation to the                  
 committee.                                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 282                                                                    
                                                                               
  VIC VAN BALLENBERGHE  said the question of why a person would want           
 to be on the Board of Game is commonly asked.  Despite the fact               
 that being on the board is time consuming and stressful, and                  
 despite that no matter what action the board takes, a significant             
 segment of the public seems to be disappointed, there are rewards.            
 He feels he can contribute something to the board.  He feels he is            
 well qualified to serve on the board both professionally and                  
 personally.                                                                   
                                                                               
 Mr. Van Ballenberghe said he is a professional wildlife biologist             
 with about 30 years experience.  He came to Alaska in 1974 and                
 began working for the Alaska Department of Fish & Game.  He left              
 that job in 1980 to take a position as a research biologist with              
 the Forest Service.  In that capacity, he has worked mainly on                
 researching moose and wolves.  He has been an avid observer of                
 wildlife and wildlife issues and the processes that relate to                 
 wildlife management since he has been in the state.                           
                                                                               
 On a personal level, he also has a strong and lifelong interest in            
 wildlife issues having grown up on a farm and being exposed to                
 hunting early on.  He said he has been a hunter, a trapper, and a             
 fisherman all of his life.  As a hunter, he has a keen interest in            
 trying to relate to other hunters, and he thinks he understands               
 what hunters desire in the way of wildlife and wildlife management            
 in the state.                                                                 
                                                                               
 Mr. Van Ballenberghe noted that he served a previous term on the              
 board from 1985 to 1988, and that they grappled with many of the              
 same issues that are around today.  He feels he learned on the                
 board during those years, and he admitted that if he had to do some           
 of the things over again, he would do them a little differently.              
                                                                               
 Mr. Van Ballenberghe said wildlife management issues are                      
 contentious in the state of Alaska at this point in time, and he              
 feels that progress can be made toward healing some of the riffs              
 that have occurred as a result of the contentious debate, and he              
 would like to contribute to doing that.  He thinks there is middle            
 ground on many of these issues, and a consensus can be worked out.            
                                                                               
                                                                               
 Number 345                                                                    
                                                                               
  SENATOR LINCOLN  said she has received letters questioning whether           
 Mr. Van Ballenberghe would be able to differentiate between his               
 position in the federal level versus the state's interest, and she            
 asked if he thinks with game issues he could  objectively remove              
 himself as a federal employee and look at it as in the best                   
 interest of the state.   MR. VAN BALLENBERGHE  replied that he thinks         
 he can  and he thinks he did in his previous term on the board in             
 which he served in exactly the same capacity.  During that three-             
 year period when issues such as the Tongass National Forest came              
 up, he abstained from voting and those abstentions numbered only              
 three or four.  He said he would adopt the same approach this time            
 around the appearance of conflict of interest by abstaining on                
 those very few occasions when there are proposals that relate to              
 forest service land.                                                          
                                                                               
  SENATOR LINCOLN  asked if he left the Alaska Department of Fish &            
 Game on good terms.   MR. VAN BALLENBERGHE  responded that he did,            
 and that he left that job because he felt the job with the Forest             
 Service was more suited to his interests--the opportunity to do               
 research on moose and wolves.                                                 
                                                                               
  SENATOR LINCOLN  asked if as a scientist, could he set all of this           
 science aside and just use good old common sense.   MR. VAN                   
 BALLENBERGHE  said he could, and he added there are times when you            
 have to look at the art as well as the science of wildlife                    
 management and come to some decision.  Many of the management                 
 issues are in part based on science, but also in part based on a              
 lot of other human considerations.                                            
  SENATOR LINCOLN  asked if he thought he could represent a balance            
 between the rural, bush and urban areas of the state, as well as              
 what he thinks hunters desire in wildlife management in the state.            
  MR. VAN BALLENBERGHE  said he thinks hunters desire a lot of                 
 opportunity to hunt and that is very clear with some of the issues            
 that have come forth very recently before the Legislature with                
 regard to intensive management, etc., and he thinks that spawned as           
 a result of dissatisfaction with the opportunity and the ability to           
 hunt.  He also believes he has a good understanding of rural and              
 bush concerns in addition to urban concerns, and that he can                  
 represent a balance between them.                                             
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN LEMAN  noted he received letters and comments identifying           
 Mr. Van Ballenberghe as controversial, and he asked if he knew why            
 they might be targeting him.   MR. VAN BALLENBERGHE  responded that           
 he doesn't consider himself to be controversial; he considers                 
 himself to be pretty middle of the road on wildlife issues.  In his           
 past term on the board, there were numerous instances in which he             
 supported hunting and hunters, and he thinks his current view is              
 strongly supportive of hunting and hunters.                                   
                                                                               
 Number 469                                                                    
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN LEMAN  opened the confirmation hearing to public comment.           
                                                                               
  LOREN CROXTON , testifying from Petersburg, said many things have            
 changed in game management with the encroachment of the federal               
 bureaucracy, and he thinks it would be an error to appoint a                  
 federal employee to the game board at this point in time.  He                 
 thinks at least the perception of conflict would be most difficult            
 for Mr. Van Ballenberghe.  He said Ms. Ruggles is a non consumptive           
 of the fish and game resources, and while he believes that there is           
 more than one legitimate use for our game and resources, he thinks            
 it is time to for her to move on from her seat on the Board of                
 Game.  He suggested that before Mr. Roczicka is confirmed, someone            
 must point out to him what the Alaska Constitution says and why it            
 does not allow a priority use.                                                
                                                                               
  BILL FOLSOM , testifying from the Mat-Su LIO, stated he is the               
 current president of the Mat Valley Sportsmen, and although they              
 haven't had a board meeting relating to these confirmations, all of           
 the people he has talked to seem to be of the same mind--they are             
 opposed to the confirmation of both Ann Ruggles and Vic Van                   
 Ballenberghe because they don't believe either one has the proper             
 philosophy for the sustained use of game for consumptive use.  He             
 thinks some of these philosophies are also causing splits among               
 hunters using different means of taking of game by causing                    
 regulations that eliminate their hunting methods.                             
                                                                               
  ROY BURKHART , a resident of the Mat-Su, voiced his opposition to            
 Ann Ruggles' appointment, mainly because she has her mind made up             
 before the public hearing ever starts.  He said if all the game               
 boards would be like her, there's no point in having the public               
 input.  He is also opposed to Mr. Van Ballenberghe's appointment to           
 the board.  He said if both of these people were appointed, there             
 would be two biologists on the game board, and the one thing Alaska           
 is not short of is studies and biologists' studies.  He added that            
 it is important to have people on the game board that will listen,            
 evaluate the information, and act on the information.                         
                                                                               
 Number 560                                                                    
                                                                               
  LEONARD HAIRE , a 22-year resident of the Mat-Su Valley, stated his          
 opposition to Ann Ruggles and Mr. Van Ballenberghe.  He said every            
 time there is vote on motorized access, Ms. Ruggles' mind is                  
 already made up, and the same applies to Mr. Van Ballenberghe.                
                                                                               
  LYNN LEVENGOOD , testifying from Fairbanks, voiced his opposition to         
 the appointment of Ms. Ruggles because of the way she has voted on            
 game issues while serving on the board in the past.  He is also               
 opposed to Mr. Van Ballenberghe's appointment because of the his              
 federal employment and his position on opposing predator control.             
                                                                               
  BONNIE WILLIAMS  of Fairbanks stated her opposition to the                   
 confirmations of Mr. Van Ballenberghe and Ms. Ruggles to the Board            
 of Game.  She said the issues Alaska faces involving game are                 
 highly volatile and controversial.  She said we need appointees who           
 will start at neutral, listen discerningly to all sides, carefully            
 compile the real facts, and finally reach wise decisions.                     
                                                                               
  TOM SCARBOROUGH  of Fairbanks voiced his opposition to the                   
 appointments of Ms. Ruggles and Mr. Van Ballenberghe, because in              
 his opinion, both of these individuals voted to violate the                   
 intensive management statutes currently on the books.                         
                                                                               
  DAVID WILLIAMS  of Fairbanks stated his opposition to the                    
 appointment of Mr. Van Ballenberghe because he believes that as a             
 federal employee, Mr. Van Ballenberghe cannot fairly represent                
 Alaskan interests.  He is also opposed to the confirmation of Ann             
 Ruggles because he believes she will only bring discord to the                
 Board of Game during these times when the board is under attack by            
 outside sources.                                                              
                                                                               
  KATHERINE RICHARDSON , testifying from Fairbanks, stated her strong          
 support for the reappointment of Ann Ruggles to the Board of Game.            
 She believes Ms. Ruggles takes her seat on the board very seriously           
 and works very hard.  Ms. Ruggles attends the meetings regularly,             
 and when she is there, she listens to people and gives thoughtful             
 and constructive comments.  She sees Ms. Ruggles as both a                    
 biologist and realist--she is looking to the future as well as the            
 present.                                                                      
                                                                               
  RALPH SEEKINS , the president of the Alaska Wildlife Conservation            
 Association testifying from Fairbanks, voiced their opposition to             
 the confirmations of Ann Ruggles and Mr. Van Ballenberghe.  They              
 don't believe Ms. Ruggles has represented or voted in favor of                
 consumptive use of wildlife, except when it was a easy vote and her           
 anti-vote didn't make any difference.  She is not an advocate of              
 hunting by humans, and she does not support the Alaska Constitution           
 regarding the highest priority of wildlife for consumptive use.               
 The association opposes Mr. Van Ballenberghe because they believe             
 that a federal biologist employed by the federal government, whose            
 department he works for wants to take over the management of fish             
 and game in the state of Alaska and is already implementing plans             
 to do so, should not be on the Board of Game.                                 
                                                                               
  JACK STOEBAUER , representing the Alaska Boating Association and             
 testifying from Anchorage in opposition to the confirmations of Ann           
 Ruggles and Mr. Van Ballenberghe, said they know how these two                
 handle biological versus social conflicts.  He noted that in Game             
 Unit 28, the Department of Fish & Game recommended to the Board of            
 Game to increase the harvest of moose in that area.  However, Ms.             
 Ruggles and Mr. Van Ballenberghe argued to remove the most                    
 efficient, safe and environmentally friendly means used by hunters            
 in that area, which is the air boat.                                          
                                                                               
  LEO KEELER , representing Friends of McNeil River and testifying             
 from Anchorage, stated their support for the confirmations of Ann             
 Ruggles and Mr. Van Ballenberghe.  He said both individuals have              
 served on the board in the past, and he thinks the average Alaskan            
 hunter is of the opinion that they have done a good job.                      
                                                                               
  STEPHAN WELLS , testifying from Anchorage, voiced his support for            
 the confirmations of Ann Ruggles and Mr. Van Ballenberghe.  While             
 he is not a hunter nor does he oppose hunting, he believes non-               
 consumptive users need specific representation on the board.                  
 However, he does not believe that either Ms. Ruggles or Mr. Van               
 Ballenberghe fulfills that need because he doesn't consider either            
 one of them to be primarily interested in non-consumptive use.  He            
 said they have both demonstrated that they are fair-minded                    
 individuals and will at least listen to his point of view along               
 with those of others.                                                         
                                                                               
  NICOLE DI PADUA , testifying from Anchorage, stated her support for          
 the confirmations of Ann Ruggles and Mr. Van Ballenberghe.  She               
 noted she has attended board meetings in Anchorage and Fairbanks,             
 and the last meeting in Fairbanks presented a more balanced board.            
 She said the two nominees questioned the individuals testifying in            
 a intelligent and intensive manner.  She believes two nominees with           
 degrees in wildlife management is a big plus for the board.                   
                                                                               
  MATT SINGER , representing the Alaska Wildlife Alliance and                  
 testifying from Anchorage, voiced their support for the                       
 confirmations of Ann Ruggles and Mr. Van Ballenberghe because they            
 bring a much needed voice to the board at a time when the public is           
 becoming increasingly frustrated with the wildlife policy process.            
 He said their prior experience on the board and professionals                 
 backgrounds in biology are qualities that will serve them well on             
 this board.  He stressed that while the Alliance supports Ms.                 
 Ruggles and Mr. Van Ballenberghe, they by no means agree with them            
 all of the time, and they respect them both for being fair and open           
 to public input.                                                              
                                                                               
 Number 155                                                                    
                                                                               
  DICK BISHOP , Executive Director, Alaska Outdoor Council, stated             
 that based on their members' experience in working with Ann Ruggles           
 and Mr. Van Ballenberghe, they do not believe the best interests of           
 sound conservation and fair allocation of Alaska's game resources             
 will be served.  He said the Board of Game is in a very important             
 position to manage for the interests of all users, but in                     
 particular, the Alaska Outdoor Council's concern is the interests             
 of hunters, trappers, and other consumptive users.  He asserted               
 that those who are generally opposed to hunting, opposed to                   
 management, opposed to trapping, who seek to limit those activities           
 in any possible way, either on a large or small scale, are                    
 generally supporting the confirmations of Ms. Ruggles and Mr. Van             
 Ballenberghe.                                                                 
                                                                               
  SARAH HANNAN , a lifelong Alaskan and a lifelong hunter, said the            
 policy and purpose of the Board of Game is to make decisions that             
 are complex, and it is most important in a board process to have a            
 diversity of views.  She said the best policy is made when you have           
 two adversaries talking it out. She urged that the committee take             
 into consideration the credentials of Ms. Ruggles and Mr. Van                 
 Ballenberghe.                                                                 
                                                                               
  JOEL BENNETT  of Juneau voiced his support for the confirmations of          
 Ms. Ruggles, Mr. Van Ballenberghe and Mr. Roczicka.  He knows Ms.             
 Ruggles and Mr. Van Ballenberghe personally, and he believes they             
 bring a great measure of competence, experience and diversity to              
 the board.  He believes that all three appointees feel strongly               
 that hunting is a critical and justified activity in this state,              
 one to be both respected and continued responsibly in every way.              
 He also believes it is important to have professionals sitting on             
 the board.                                                                    
                                                                               
  MIKE TINKER , testifying from Fairbanks, stated his opposition to            
 the confirmations of Ms. Ruggles and Mr. Van Ballenberghe, because            
 both of them are not flexible on their philosophy.  He said one of            
 the things the game board has to do is to take the new regulatory             
 processes that are coming, consider the difficult issues, and find            
 some middle ground, and he doesn't see enough flexibility in these            
 two individuals to do that.                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 356                                                                    
                                                                               
  VIC VAN BALLENBERGHE , responding to the testimony on his                    
 appointment to the Board of Game, said he doesn't believe he has              
 spoken personally to any of the people that came forth to testify             
 against him.  He said they have picked out a few choice examples of           
 things that they perceived were done on the board in their                    
 disfavor.  He said there are many examples of where the Board of              
 Game provided hunting opportunities for hunters, and very few                 
 examples where that was not the case.  He added that to pick out a            
 few of those examples and emphasize those is a distortion of what             
 the board actually did.                                                       
                                                                               
  SENATOR TAYLOR  asked if it was true that at a recent meeting of the         
 Board of Game, they enacted a regulation which provides that if an            
 individual shoots a black bear, he will now be required to eat                
 various portions of the black bear.   MR. VAN BALLENBERGHE                    
 acknowledged that was correct, but he pointed out that he voted               
 against it.  He also clarified that it wasn't to eat, it was to               
 salvage portions of the black bear.  He said he think it grew from            
 the whole issue of baiting bears and the perception that there was            
 black bear meat going to waste and it should be salvaged.                     
                                                                               
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 There being no further testimony on the Board of Game appointees,             
  CHAIRMAN LEMAN  closed the confirmation hearing.                             
                                                                               
    CSHB 388(RES) am OIL & GAS LEASING/ BEST INT. FINDINGS                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN LEMAN  brought CSHB 388(RES) am before the committee as the         
 next order of business.                                                       
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG , prime sponsor of HB 388, explained the             
 goal of the legislation is to make more land available to the                 
 petroleum industry for leasing and a more predictable schedule.  He           
 said the additional acreage will provide a situation where there is           
 more competition in the state and potentially invite smaller                  
 independents and other such explorers into the state of Alaska.               
                                                                               
 Representative Rokeberg pointed out that by amending this existing            
 statute for exempt and reoffered sales, there will be no delay in             
 a current reschedule, as well as a zero fiscal impact.                        
                                                                               
 The legislation will extend the life of a best interest finding               
 from five years to 10 years.  It also establishes a clear and                 
 streamlined process for approval of what is called a supplement,              
 based only on substantial new information to an existing best                 
 interest finding, while also including a reasonable time period for           
 public notice and comments.                                                   
                                                                               
 Representative Rokeberg pointed out CSHB 388(RES) am passed out of            
 the House unanimously, and the bill itself was a consensus bill               
 developed with the Alaska Oil & Gas Association (AOGA) and the                
 administration.                                                               
                                                                               
  PAT FOLEY , Chairman, Lands, Exploration & Operations Committee,             
 Alaska Oil & Gas Association, stated their support for CSHB
 388(RES) am.  He said AOGA encourages annual areawide leasing in              
 areas of the state where competitive leases are regularly offered,            
 and this legislation will provide the vehicle for the state to                
 institute annual areawide lease sales.                                        
                                                                               
 Mr. Foley pointed out that previous versions of HB 388 had included           
 the term "areawide" to describe the intent of the legislation.                
 However, the bill was amended on the floor of the House to remove             
 references to areawide lease sales.  AOGA believes it would                   
 reinforce the state's intent to institute annual areawide leasing             
 by amending Section 2 to insert the word "areawide" and to remove             
 the requirement to annually offer AS 38.05.180(d) exempt lands.  He           
 said that on one hand, the bill will have the same legal effect               
 with or without these specific words, but on the other hand, the              
 words "areawide lease sale" are a term of art used by the industry            
 to differentiate these lease sales from nomination-based lease                
 sales.  Including the term "areawide" could help non-Alaska                   
 operators understand the important opportunity this bill                      
 represents.                                                                   
                                                                               
 Concluding his testimony, Mr. Foley said AOGA strongly supports the           
 bill with or without the suggested amendment.                                 
                                                                               
  BILL STAMPS , representing the Alaska Support Industry Alliance and          
 testifying from Kenai, voiced their support for implementation of             
 a regular and dependable lease sale program for all of Alaska.  It            
 needs to be a lease program that is economical and functional, and            
 one that best serves the needs of the state of Alaska and its                 
 residents, and one that perspective bidding companies that provide            
 so much of Alaska's economic base can rely on.  The Alliance                  
 believes that CSHB 388(RES) am is such a bill and they support its            
 passage.  The Alliance also supports the incorporation of AOGA's              
 suggested amendment.                                                          
                                                                               
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  GEORGE FINDLING , representing ARCO Alasksa, Inc., and testifying            
 from Anchorage in support of AOGA's position, said as a part of a             
 concerted industry effort with the administration, they have been             
 working on a mechanism to provide endorsement of an areawide lease            
 sale concept and to provide that the scope and usefulness of best             
 interest findings be expanded, to change and streamline the                   
 existing process and reduce the number of best interest findings              
 the Division of Oil & Gas must prepare, yet does not limit the                
 public comments on the best interest findings.  He stated ARCO's              
 support for the provisions contained in CSHB 388(RES) am.                     
                                                                               
  KEN BOYD , Director, Division of Oil & Gas, Department of Natural            
 Resources, voiced his support for CSHB 388(RES) am, and expressed             
 his appreciation for the process that went into putting the bill              
 together, which he thinks works for everybody.  He said they have             
 every intention of moving forward with the reoffering sales.                  
 However, he is not in support of AOGA's proposed amendment, because           
 he does not think it is useful to put words like "areawide leasing"           
 into statute, but he added that he has no strong opinion on it.               
                                                                               
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    SENATOR PEARCE  asked what the proposed time frame would be for            
 offering these areawide, and how long he thinks it would take for             
 the division to be ready with the first set of best interest                  
 findings.   MR. BOYD  responded that they are on that path now.  Sale         
 87 will be held in 1998, and it will be the first areawide lease              
 sale.  Right now, through the finding process and through SB 308,             
 which passed a couple of years ago, they are building a foundation            
 of findings they need to make this program work.  If they can build           
 the findings successfully and get a good foundation, they are ready           
 to go.                                                                        
                                                                               
  SENATOR PEARCE  asked Mr. Boyd if the Coastal Policy Council has             
 taken a position on this legislation.   MR. BOYD  answered that to            
 his knowledge, they had not.   SENATOR PEARCE  predicted that they            
 are not going to like it.                                                     
                                                                               
  KEVIN TABLER , Land Manager, Union Oil Co., testifying from                  
 Anchorage, said UNOCAL has followed this piece of legislation                 
 through its passage in the House and is encouraged by its progress            
 to date.  He said as a member of the Alaska Oil & Gas Association,            
 UNOCAL has participated on various committees which have reviewed             
 the committee substitute, and they would lend their support to the            
 comments made by Mr. Foley.  He stated UNOCAL encourages passage of           
 CSHB 388(RES) am with inclusion of the AOGA amendment.                        
                                                                               
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  SENATOR PEARCE  moved adoption of the following amendment to CSHB
 388(RES) am:                                                                  
                                                                               
 Amendment No. 1                                                             
                                                                               
 Page 2:  Delete lines 18 through 21 and replace with the following            
 language:                                                                     
                                                                               
  "(B)  to offer acreage for oil and gas lease, specifically                  
 including                                                                    
   (i)  state acreage that has been the subject of a best                     
 interest finding at annual areawide lease sales; and"                        
                                                                               
 Hearing no objection, the Chairman stated the amendment was                   
 adopted.                                                                      
                                                                               
  SENATOR PEARCE  moved SCS CSHB 388(RES) and a new fiscal note to be          
 prepared by the department be passed out of committee with                    
 individual recommendations.  Hearing no objection, it was so                  
 ordered.                                                                      
                                                                               
 There being no further business to come before the committee, the             
 meeting was adjourned at 5:30 p.m.                                            
                                                                               

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